PODCAST #17. Charting a Course in Health Tech: From Student Entrepreneurship to Advanced Product Management

In our CareMinds series, we’re all about showcasing the many paths to success in health tech product development. Today, we have the pleasure of sharing Laura Furman’s unique story. Laura, currently a senior product manager at Oura, kicked off her leadership journey with Students Agencies.

Laura opens up about her everyday work. She emphasizes the importance of AI and machine learning tools in her role, particularly during the product discovery phase, contributing significantly to the product’s development.

We hope you find Laura’s story as captivating as we did. Happy reading!

Is Product Development a Bold Claim or a Logical Step?

“The student agency’s experience is something that keeps coming back and keeps coming up as something that was really unique and an interesting foundation.”

Laura Furman – Senior Product Manager at Oura

Conventional wisdom may suggest that early experiences become less relevant as a professional journey progresses. However, Laura finds that her involvement with Student Agencies continually resurfaces as an integral part of her career. Student Agencies is a non-profit educational institution that provided Laura with first-hand business management experience during her college years. It comprised several diverse, student-run businesses, offering services from real estate property management to tutoring, marketing, and even a full-service moving company.

In this unique setting, Laura served as the general manager of one business for a year before stepping up to become the corporation’s president. Although not directly related to product management, this entrepreneurial experience provided Laura with an invaluable perspective on running a business from top to bottom, including direct customer interaction and budgeting.

In her role as president of Student Agencies, she created the first CTO role, utilizing the skills of the engineering students to enhance business performance. Despite the annual turnover inherent to the student-run structure, Laura credits an experienced CEO’s guidance for the continuity of the businesses. This end-to-end entrepreneurship experience, she believes, is a great asset for anyone entering product management, as it provides a comprehensive understanding of business strategy.

Transitioning to Product Management: A Personal Account

“I think a lot of people when they’re transitioning have a hard time, sort of filling the gap between where they are now and the skills they need to have as a product manager.”

Laura Furman – Senior Product Manager at Oura

Laura embarked on her career journey with uncertainty, opting for the retail industry as her starting point. She joined Gap’s management rotational program, and was tasked with e-commerce merchandising. Her role entailed strategizing the customer experience on Gap’s website, from product discovery to checkout.

As she delved deeper into her role, Laura identified a problem within one of the categories she was managing. This challenge provided an opportunity for her to explore business analytics extensively. She carefully examined every SKU, tracked trends across the assortment, and used this data to analyze the state of the business.

The most significant shift in her career occurred when she led a design sprint to rectify the problem in her managed category. This experience lit up her path towards product management, leading her to investigate job descriptions and key skills required for a product manager role. With several skills already under her belt and a drive to fill the gaps in her resume through projects and side assignments, she was ready to transition into product management.

The Evolving Role of a Product Manager

“My belief is we will produce the best ideas if we collaborate, I don’t think the PM should be coming up with all the solutions themselves, the solution should arise out of collaboration with the team”

Laura Furman – Senior Product Manager at Oura

The core of a product manager’s role is being the voice of the customer. It’s about understanding their needs, not just through face-to-face discussions but also through data analysis. As you step into it, remember that it’s not only about the customer’s desires, but also about striking the right balance with the business’s expectations.

When you craft your strategy, your ability to bring people onboard will be invaluable. Drawing from Laura’s experiences and skills in debate and negotiation, you’ll find that seeing multiple perspectives and effectively persuading others to join your journey can be a game changer. Additionally, remember that growing to be a product manager involves constant learning and iteration. You’d have to negate lengthy product road maps and promote a culture of continual testing and analysis.

Tools and Resources for Aspiring Product Managers

Taking the reins on your professional growth can be an empowering experience. One effective strategy to foster continuous learning is to dedicate each quarter to a specific focus area. This could start with understanding data analytics, mastering SQL, and becoming adept with tools such as Google BigQuery and Looker. This disciplined approach provides an opportunity to delve deeper into each field, enhancing your overall skillset.

Secondly, the value of mentorship in your journey cannot be overstated. A supportive and knowledgeable mentor can accelerate your growth, guide you through uncharted territory, and provide you with essential industry insights. Building connections within your organization is a beneficial way to learn from others and gain diverse perspectives.

Lastly, don’t let the fear of appearing unknowledgeable hold you back from asking questions. It’s a common misconception that asking basic questions exposes a lack of knowledge. In reality, it often leads to constructive conversations and enhances understanding. It’s essential to comprehend the bigger picture, particularly in understanding the system architecture. Spending time with engineers to grasp how different components of the system interconnect can provide invaluable insights. This broader understanding will be key in interpreting project estimates accurately.

How AI and Machine Learning Are Impacting Product Development

“The AI and machine learning tools that you use in your day to day…it provides an uncanny ability to tap into a problem, a domain that you don’t necessarily know a lot about. And it could quickly kind of guide you towards some potential solutions that could be applied to a certain identified problem if you don’t have a deep enough context to it.”

Laura Furman – Senior Product Manager at Oura

Mercari, a popular Japanese peer-to-peer marketplace akin to eBay, has an intriguing blend of challenges and experiences. The platform accommodates a broad array of categories, including clothing, technology, home goods, and handmade crafts. With this vast spectrum of products, one interesting challenge is managing User Generated Content (UGC). The diversity in UGC listings and searches can lead to discrepancies and inconsistencies due to differences in syntax, which in turn could reduce the visibility of items in search results, thereby affecting sales.

One notable project tackled at Mercari was enhancing the search and listing experience based on the brand and category of an item. The goal was to pre-populate custom attribute fields specific to the item type being listed. For instance, if a user is listing an iPhone, they could specify the model and size, allowing potential buyers to filter down their searches effectively. This approach was particularly useful in more subjective categories like clothing, where the search could be as specific as ‘straight leg jeans.’

To add another layer of sophistication, machine learning was brought into the mix. This technology helped predict necessary custom attribute fields based on the brand and category. It also fed these attributes into Mercari’s search taxonomy to optimize search results. Towards the end, the project began to utilize computer vision to guess the category and subcategory of clothing based on the photo. While this presented new challenges due to the variety of user-submitted photos, it also offered a fascinating direction for further enhancing user experience on the platform.

Sure AI and ML Complement Product Development, But How Can Managers Put Them to Effective Use?

First, from a day-to-day operational perspective, AI could serve as a sounding board, albeit it may not replace the nuanced understanding and context that comes from someone deeply familiar with the product. The idea here is that AI tools might not fully grasp the complexity of the product and its dynamics like a human member of the team who is immersed in the project.

The second application is more exciting: using AI tools to create prototypes. This could be especially beneficial for non-technical PMs who don’t have coding skills. They could potentially leverage AI to write code and thus develop prototypes, enhancing their ability to demonstrate their ideas beyond mere words. While there’s skepticism that AI could generate a feature-ready piece of code given the uniqueness and standards of any given codebase, using AI to create initial prototypes could be an innovative approach that empowers PMs to delve more into the technical side.

It is also believed that AI could streamline the process of creating a prototype, saving valuable time. This makes AI an attractive tool in the product management space, not just for its potential to enhance the overall workflow, but also to empower product managers with new capabilities.

From Novelty to Necessity: Does a Fresh Perspective Matter When Companies Hire?

Laura’s journey to AA three years prior was primarily driven by a long-standing personal passion for health and wellness. After reading “Why We Sleep” by Matt Walker, she developed an interest in the importance of sleep for mental performance and overall wellbeing. Tracking sleep with an “Oura” ring and studying the data became an obsession, eventually leading her to a position within the company. Her shared vision with the company’s CEO, who viewed sleep as the foundational pillar of health much like personal training, created a strong connection.

Her career transition strategy involved balancing industry experience and role skills as two vital variables. Initially, she drew upon her retail industry experience while developing necessary product skills. In the next move to AA, she utilized these newly acquired skills despite not having prior industry experience. Laura believed that possessing either industry experience or role-specific skills could facilitate a successful transition.

Laura’s perspective emphasizes seeing personal strengths as valuable contributions to her role and not being discouraged by perceived shortcomings. This outlook, particularly essential in product management, is about leveraging unique experiences and skills to meet new challenges in different industries. She also understands the importance of this mindset in successfully navigating work within a remote team, such as the Finnish-based company AA.

Understanding and Improving Predictable Delivery

Working across different time zones and geographies is challenging. While Laura has experience in this from her time at Merri, dealing with a 10-hour time difference at her current company has brought new challenges. She has realized the importance of well-prepared and efficient meetings, especially given that her early morning is the end of the workday for her colleagues in Finland. A critical success factor in such settings is robust asynchronous communication, making sure everyone is fully prepared and discussions are fruitful. In addition, they have implemented a system of reviewing and improving their workflow at the end of every cycle, accepting the reality of time differences but striving to make it better with each iteration.

One key learning Laura shared is the downside of over-relying on Slack for communication. It can create confusion, lead to critical information being missed, and ultimately decrease overall happiness within the team. Instead, they have focused on making communication more structured and traceable, using tools like Sigma, Jira, and Confluence to comment directly on project documents, ensuring a clear source of truth. If there is an excessive use of Slack, it’s often a sign that the project is experiencing chaos and needs attention.

When it comes to product improvement, Laura’s approach is guided by lessons from her mentor from Google. Objectives and Key Results (OKRs) should be ambitious, and achieving 70% of an OKR is a commendable feat. Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) are used more at the feature level, measuring specific outcomes. She emphasizes the importance of treating the development of a feature as a hypothesis – if they do X, they should see Y outcome in the data. This approach then allows them to review and learn from the outcome, guiding the development of future features.

Conclusion

Here are the most important points from our conversation with Laura Furman: 

  • Early experiences matter

Laura’s involvement with Student Agencies during her college years, a non-profit educational institution that provided first-hand business management experience, played a crucial role in shaping her professional journey.

  • Transitioning is possible with the right skills and drive

Despite starting in a seemingly unrelated field (retail industry), Laura managed to transition to product management by building on the skills she had and bridging gaps through projects and side assignments.

  • Adaptability and continual learning are key in product management

The product manager’s role is not stagnant; it evolves with customer needs and business expectations. It also involves continuous learning, testing, and analyzing to stay ahead.

  • AI and ML are powerful tools in product development

These technologies not only assist in operational efficiency but also empower product managers, especially those with limited technical skills, to visualize and prototype their ideas.

  • Personal strengths and unique perspectives are valuable asset

Even if you lack industry experience, personal strengths, skills, and a fresh perspective can be instrumental in succeeding in new roles and different industries. 

WATCH ALSO:

PODCAST #16. BEHIND THE SCENES OF HEALTHCARE: HOW DOES PRODUCT MANAGEMENT DRIVE CHANGE?

PODCAST #15. ENGINEERING LEADERSHIP: HOW TO INTEGRATE TEAM COACHING & HEALTHTECH PRODUCT MANAGEMENT & OKRS

PODCAST #14. HOW TO EXCEL IN STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR EFFECTIVE PRODUCT MANAGEMENT: TIPS FROM AN INDUSTRY EXPERT & OKRS

PODCAST #13. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PRODUCT MANAGEMENT: UNLOCKING HUMAN INSIGHTS & OKRS

PODCAST #12. THE PRODUCT MANAGER’S PATH TO HAELTH TECH INNOVATION: PRODUCT STRATEGY, LEADERSHIP & OKRS

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The APP Solutions launched a podcast, CareMinds, where you can hear from respected experts in healthcare and Health Tech.

Who is a successful product manager in the healthcare domain? Which skills and qualities are crucial? How important is this role in moving a successful business to new achievements? Responsibilities and KPIs?

Please find out about all this and more in our podcast. Stay tuned for updates and subscribe to channels.

Listen to our podcast to get some useful tips on your next startup.

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PODCAST #18. AI’s Influence in Virtual Healthcare and How Product Managers Can Help in the Revolution

In this Careminds podcast episode, our conversation with Ran Shaul, Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder of K Health and Hydrogen Health, explores virtual healthcare and the influence of AI on patient experiences.

The discussion extends to data-driven decision-making, entrepreneurship within the healthcare sector, and Ran’s unique perspective on the central role product managers play in health tech.

How to Know When a Career Path Makes Sense

After a late start in his career post a five-year service in the Israeli Army, Ran pursued industrial engineering and computer science in Israel, driven by a passion for data science. Upon graduation, he used his skills to tackle complex problems using data, with a particular fascination for employing mathematics in business contexts.

“That’s really the theme of everything I’m passionate about. I don’t know why I’m attracted to the concept of using mathematics to solve business problems.”

Ran Shaul – Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder of K Health and Hydrogen Health

This led him to start his first business after only a few years of experience in a company working with data warehouses in the early days, which involved managing large databases and local machines before the advent of the cloud. This step into entrepreneurship was motivated not just by a desire for creative freedom, but also by a conviction that data science was poised to become highly influential. This conviction proved true as Ran navigated the growing fields of data mining and natural language processing.

Ran started three companies in total, with the first one being in the health sector. The other two were either acquired or sold, and his focus eventually settled on a company he had founded 6.5 years prior. This company represented a matured perspective in entrepreneurship and offered the chance to tackle a significant problem.

Driven by personal experiences with healthcare and a desire to contribute to something mission-driven, Ran aimed to use data to empower people to make better decisions, particularly in the field of medicine. Six years prior, accurate online medical information was scant and he saw potential in creating an online system for medical advice that was as easily accessible as booking a flight or finding a restaurant.

When asked about the nature of his company, K Health, Ran explains that it’s an AI company, a virtual company, and a doctor’s clinic all in one. Traditional doctor visits often have negative expectations, including long wait times, short consultations, and unforeseen costs. K Health aims to alleviate these issues by offering a more flexible and comprehensive experience.

Patients can consult a doctor on their own terms, at any hour of the day. This flexibility caters to those with busy schedules who might only find time for a doctor’s appointment late in the evening. The wait time is minimal, and the consultation is more in-depth as patients can discuss their symptoms at length with an AI before meeting a physician. This enables the physician to understand the patient’s condition quickly and thoroughly.

The company offers multiple modes of consultation, including video and text-based conversations. Unlike traditional doctor visits, their service doesn’t necessarily end after a single consultation. Patients have the freedom to return to the app and continue discussing their condition or ask further questions about their treatment. This fosters a long-term relationship with the physician rather than a series of transactional interactions.

What Does It Take to Align Innovation and Market Perception?

In healthcare, you should adopt an approach that is conservative, avoiding the typical tech mindset of “move fast and break things”. This principle is even more important when navigating the intricacies of healthcare regulations, which often contain gray areas. Despite these challenges, it’s vital to always prioritize safety and adhere strictly to regulations.

On the question of balancing innovation with regulation, especially as patients share their information with an AI, Ran believes that their approach in summarizing a patient’s situation to provide efficient and personalized care is an innovative and useful feature. He indicates that users are in full control of their experiences, which makes this combination of virtual primary care and personalized AI a truly innovative healthcare solution.

For instance, while there are companies who have chosen to adopt a more aggressive approach by prescribing potentially addictive medications online, this might not always be the best course of action. Such decisions should be made with the patient’s health and safety in mind. Restrictions to service areas that guarantee high-quality and safe care should be seriously considered.

Now, the medical decision-making process primarily lies in the hands of qualified physicians. As an entrepreneur or a tech professional, one should respect and adhere to these decisions without any judgement or influence. The guiding principle in digital health should always be thinking about the long-term outcome for the patient rather than a fast-paced growth model.

While this approach might not conform to conventional business growth models, in the field of healthcare, patient outcomes should always take precedence. It’s important to steer clear of cases that might jeopardize patient safety or the reputation of digital healthcare. By considering these aspects carefully, one can successfully navigate the complexities of designing user-centric, innovative, and safe healthcare solutions.

What Are the Key Challenges in Creating Unreplicated Workflows?

“It’s fine to be an AI company or a virtual clinic individually, but integrating both presents a significant challenge”. 

Ran Shaul – Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder of K Health and Hydrogen Health

Envious glances might be cast towards AI companies that develop an algorithm and simply provide an API for use, or services that offer “doctor in a box” solutions via video call. However, without a connection between the two, real change can’t occur.

So how do you apply AI safely for the benefit of physicians and patients within a clinical care environment? It’s not just about building an AI system that’s accurate and continually learning, but also about making it understandable for patients and beneficial for physicians.

Often, questions arise about how such an accurate machine was built, one that knows everything about primary care conditions and can diagnose people. However, the main question isn’t just about how it was built, but also about how it’s explained to patients. How do patients understand what the results actually mean? How are these results handed over to physicians? And how is the experience continued such that when a patient has consulted with the AI, the physician has the ability to seamlessly take over and make the actual medical decision?

These considerations represent the major challenge. In the end, the service needs to be something people enjoy using and are satisfied with. It’s a blend of art and science, requiring a combination of different domains. A meeting at a company like this could involve five different domains in the same room: physicians, engineers, mathematicians, regulatory and operational experts, and product designers.

The second part of the challenge is how to build an accurate algorithm. This is where reinforcement learning comes in. Regardless of how simplistic the initial iteration might be, if the model is trained rapidly enough and consistently given feedback about its performance, it will learn and deliver the desired results over time. This concept of a machine constantly learning from humans, a continuous loop of diagnosis, feedback, and improvement, is at the core of the AI’s development and refinement.

These two aspects – multidisciplinary collaboration and constant machine learning – are instrumental in overcoming the challenges that come with blending AI and healthcare in an effective and meaningful way.

How to Define Product Success in Your Organization

“If you have people using the product and come back for more, that is when you know, you have a good product in the market.”

Ran Shaul – Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder of K Health and Hydrogen Health

Reflecting on leadership style and how it has evolved over the years, there is a need to balance personal opinions and passion with the success of the company. In the early stages, when the company is small, you might be doing a little bit of everything. However, when the company grows – as it did during the COVID-19 pandemic from a 50-person company to a 300-person company – the need for vision and leadership becomes more pronounced.

Using techniques like providing hints rather than direct instructions and allowing people to discover things themselves can be very effective in larger settings. As the company grows, the leadership role becomes more about providing vision and inspiration rather than direct, hands-on guidance.

The establishment of a strong leadership layer is critical to the impact and success of the company. This strong leadership group, composed of leaders in different domains, has the ability to execute efficiently and effectively. Creating alignment with this group is key. It’s important to maintain the right to go into the details – to look at the code, the algorithms, the design – but to do it in a consultative way rather than authoritative, to avoid disrupting the work of others.

Maintaining a strong leadership team at the top, ensuring they have the capacity and willingness to execute, while occasionally diving into the lower levels to get your hands dirty, is vital. It’s a balance of leading by example and supporting those executing the work.

Tough Jobs, Tougher Candidates: The Ideal Profile for a Product Manager

“You need to have a belief, you need to have a vision. They need to be able to basically say no to the naysayers and say no.”

Ran Shaul – Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder of K Health and Hydrogen Health

Ultimately, someone needs to connect the dots. There’s a necessity for someone to sit in a room, hear all the arguments from various sides, and then stitch it all together. This task is complicated because product managers may not have a background in medicine, nor might they fully understand all the regulatory aspects of their decisions. Despite this, they suddenly need to merge data science, the accuracy of algorithms, and the provision of high-quality clinical care. This makes the role of a product manager incredibly complex, given that they likely aren’t a data scientist nor a physician.

There are two dimensions that are important here: curiosity and the ability to make decisions. Surprisingly, many people prefer to stick to what they know. If they’ve worked in an e-commerce company, for instance, they might be comfortable with selling a new product using the same basic user funnel principles. However, the role here requires learning new domains, understanding the considerations of a physician, the considerations of an algorithm, and integrating those. This requires an eagerness to learn, to read and to understand beyond what one already knows.

The second dimension is decision-making and trade-offs. There’s rarely a perfect solution or an exact minimum viable product (MVP) in every aspect. So, you have to make decisions and execute them in such a way that you’re making small progress with each step. It’s not about one or two decisions; it’s about thousands of micro-decisions that build the big picture and result in a cohesive product. This combination of curiosity and trade-off handling makes for a very strong product manager or product owner.

How Often Do Product Managers Influence the Company’s Vision?

“A product manager needs to kind of ignore the noise and follow the data and, but that’s the task when you actually have a running product with your own data.”

Ran Shaul – Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder of K Health and Hydrogen Health

It can be challenging to know which feature to implement, and sometimes you have to rely on A/B testing and observing what works. This requires a product manager to cut through the noise and follow the data. However, this mainly applies when you already have a running product with your own data.

The situation changes when you don’t have this data, for instance, when you want to start a completely new feature or even a new company. While surveys can provide some feedback, consumers may not be as good at giving feedback for a product that doesn’t exist yet. It’s difficult for consumers to envision using a product that doesn’t exist.

In these situations, the product manager needs to rely more on gut feeling, belief, and vision. They need to have the courage to say no to the naysayers and to believe that they are innovating something that people will want to use. This is where many interesting things happen and where new features are born.

For instance, with K, we didn’t initially know if people would be interested in a single screen showing them a differential diagnosis. Some suggested that people wouldn’t want this feature and that it would only confuse them. However, we went ahead, implemented that screen, and iterated around it. It turned out to be a moment of success, with users spending four minutes answering questions just to know what K thinks about their condition. This was despite initial feedback that people wouldn’t want to spend that much time providing information.

So, the toughest part of being a product manager is to break through the “nos”, follow your vision, and build something that you believe people will like. Then, you put it in their hands and see how they respond. Despite the rules and guidelines, sometimes you need to see past them, invent new things, and rethink the existing order.

Conclusion

In conclusion, if you have a good idea, just go ahead and do it. While gaining experience in big companies and working in different environments is valuable, there’s something uniquely rewarding about pursuing your own idea. Entrepreneurship and leadership aren’t for everyone, but if you enjoy the excitement and have something you want to pursue, go ahead and do it. Put it out there.

The key points are thus:

  • Passion, persistence and the right skills can create meaningful entrepreneurship ventures, even in complex fields like healthcare.
  • The integration of data science, AI and real-world medical expertise is key to providing a more accessible and efficient healthcare service.
  • Regulatory compliance, safety, and patient-first approach are paramount in navigating the challenges of digital healthcare innovation.
  • Success in health-tech depends on multidisciplinary collaboration and constant machine learning, aiming for a blend of accuracy, transparency, and patient-physician interaction.
  • The role of a product manager in this setting is multifaceted, requiring curiosity, sound decision-making, and the ability to navigate both familiar and unfamiliar terrains.

WATCH ALSO:

PODCAST #17. CHARTING A COURSE IN HEALTH TECH: FROM STUDENT ENTREPRENEURSHIP TO ADVANCED PRODUCT MANAGEMENT & OKRS

PODCAST #16. BEHIND THE SCENES OF HEALTHCARE: HOW DOES PRODUCT MANAGEMENT DRIVE CHANGE?

PODCAST #15. ENGINEERING LEADERSHIP: HOW TO INTEGRATE TEAM COACHING & HEALTHTECH PRODUCT MANAGEMENT & OKRS

PODCAST #14. HOW TO EXCEL IN STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR EFFECTIVE PRODUCT MANAGEMENT: TIPS FROM AN INDUSTRY EXPERT & OKRS

PODCAST #13. THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PRODUCT MANAGEMENT: UNLOCKING HUMAN INSIGHTS & OKRS

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The APP Solutions launched a podcast, CareMinds, where you can hear from respected experts in healthcare and Health Tech.

Who is a successful product manager in the healthcare domain? Which skills and qualities are crucial? How important is this role in moving a successful business to new achievements? Responsibilities and KPIs?

Please find out about all this and more in our podcast. Stay tuned for updates and subscribe to channels.

Listen to our podcast to get some useful tips on your next startup.

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